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From: Gufon@ix.netcom.com (Gene Huff)
Subject: Re: THE LAZAR FLAWS - Odds and Ends
Date: 14 May 1995 18:08:14 GMT
In <tmahoodD88M7w.1L8@netcom.com> firstname.lastname@example.org (Tom Mahood) writes:
> THE LAZAR FLAWS - Odds and Ends
>1. Good said it was called "The Honeysuckle Ranch". "Omni" reported the investment was so profitable Lazar didn't have to return to full-time employment for several years. However such an ownership was not mentioned in Lazar's bankruptcy papers in 1986.
It was in the process of being changed to the Honeysuckle Ranch when the license was put on ice. I have business cards and even brochures fromt the Honeysuckle Ranch in my office. However, this was not the actual name it was licensed under and the license was in Bob's first wife's name (Carol). The license was put on ice due to an AIDS scare. The claim ended up being unfounded, but by then Nevada had put a moratorium on opening or reopening brothels. For whatever reason, back then, the license also had to be in a woman's name. Anyway, Carol died and the brothel was never reopened, or pursued at all. This could have been worth a lot of money to Bob, yet he simply relinquished it. Where did he get the money to invest in a legal brothel? Why, dad, of course. George Knapp had the same trouble tracking down this brothel. I gave him the actual name of it and everything checked out. I could give you that here, but I don't think it's conducive to proving or disproving anything about Bob's story. I think I covered Bob's lack of respect for those bankruptcy papers in my response to your last post, so I'll refrain from restating that here.-
[Update Note: Since this piece was put out, I've come across other information and witness that seem to confirm the existence of a brothel owned by Lazar - Tom]
>2. Lazar has stated he was driven to S-4 from Groom in a bus over dirt roads. The fact that it was in a bus implies that the road would have to be in fairly decent condition, and certainly not a jeep trail. However, a review of the satellite photo of Papoose Lake, on Lazar's very own poster, shows no evidence of such a road.
-Actually, that road wasn't much more than a jeep trail, but it is there. The disc on the poster covers that road and the road isn't evident once your on Papoose dry lake bed. The poster isn't a fair assessment of the existence of that road. I've seen the original satellite positives, one of which was used to make the poster, and the road is clearly there.-
>3. Lazar said at Rachel in 1993, that when he got on the bus at Groom to go to S-4, usually only Dennis Mariani was on the bus with him. Only occasionally was there one other person. Yet there were a number of others at S-4, technicians, scientists and security. How did they come and go? Why was Lazar brought in at such unusual times that everyone else was already at work? Perhaps they used a different method they did not want to reveal to Lazar?
-Man, you find mystery in the strangest places. Maybe I've just known these answers for so long, they're simply not curious to me. Anyway, Mariani was Bob's personal security escort, that's why he was always around. When Bob first started, they told him that he's be working on an "on call" basis for a while. Because of not working full time at first, Bob correctly did not anticipate much income. So Bob told them he'd have to keep his photo business going during the daytime to survive. They agreed, though if he had stayed in the program it was understood that he'd later go full time and have to get someone else to handle the photo lab. They had planes going back and forth from EG&G to Groom all the time, either carrying workers or ferrying the plane back to get more workers, so this was of no consequence to them. It was the same with the bus. Anyway they let Bob come out then so he could keep his daytime income until such time as he went full time. I'd like to point out that we really have no idea when and how the others at S4 went to work.
Nothing indicates that they even had to live in Nevada. They may have been flown in from California or New Mexico, or even stayed at the Test Site and only went to their respective homes in their respective states on weekends. Who knows? Anyway, this is the reason for the unusually small numbers of people on the bus with Bob and Mariani.
>4. Lazar has said on several occasions that, aside from the security, working at S-4 was a "dream job". He also claims to have had a Q clearance so should be quite familiar with the requirements of working in a highly secret compartmentalized environment. Yet he easily violated all his signed agreements and oaths by freely disclosing information to his friends. He even set up three "group outings" for he and his friends to witness flight operations of what I'm sure Lazar would agree is the most secret program the US has. Why would someone familar with government security requirements not only jeopardize his job, but also his very freedom, to do such a thing?
-I think I pretty much answered all of this in that synopsis I posted a few months back. I can post it again if you'd like. What his decisions required were intelligence and courage, things that elude many people.-
>5. Another part of the tail Lazar relates is that he had in his possession, apparently after he had been dropped from the program, a small quantity of element 115. He says he accquired this from contacts at Los Alamos, where Lazar says the material was machined. Lazar said his house was broken into and the 115 taken. At Rachel in 1993, Lazar added that the 115 was in PRIVATE hands. What is meant by "private hands", and why would the government allow a material capable of a devastating antimatter reaction rest in private hands?
-The government wouldn't allow that if they had a choice or if they knew where it was at. Since it's not radioactive, it's much more difficult to find. I'd personally say it was in "Private Concrete" moreso than in "Private Hands". And that's all I would say. The government would have a difficult time searching for it overtly. What would they say? "We're searching for a heavy element that we haven't shared with the rest of the earth's scientists"? I don't think so. When asked why it was important, would they say "Because we use it as fuel in our extraterrestrial discs"? Again, I don't think so. They're truly between a rock and a hard place and I'm sure some government people somewhere would like to choke the you know what out of Bob Lazar. I'm not confident they won't do that somewhere down the line when he fades into the background and isn't so high profile.-
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